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hi,

I would like to thank you for this forum, i do not feel so lonely in my ''lonely journey''. 

I am about to file a client's final accounts. the company is a small company and from what I understand I do not have to prepare a Director's report? is that right?  and also could you please give me any advice before filing the financial statements? is there anything I need to know before doing it?  I have done the financial statements  in Excell, is this ok? I do apologize for my questions, but being my first experience in doing it I feel a bit nervous.

thank you all for your time!

 

415A Directors' report: small companies exemption

This section has no associated Explanatory Notes

 

(1)A company is entitled to small companies exemption in relation to the directors' report for a financial year if

 

(a)it is entitled to prepare accounts for the year in accordance with the small companies regime, or

 

(b)it would be so entitled but for being or having been a member of an ineligible group.

 

(2)The exemption is relevant to

  • section 416(3) (contents of report: statement of amount recommended by way of dividend),[F2and]

  • F3 ...

  • sections 444 to 446 (filing obligations of different descriptions of company).]



-- Edited by Tatiana on Sunday 11th of June 2017 11:19:44 AM

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Hi Tatiana
Not read the whole question, just got as far as the excel part, but thought to ask the following before you go any further...

What software are you using for filing the accounts/how will you convert to iXBRL to file at companies house and HMRC along with the CT return?

Oh and under what standards are you filing?



-- Edited by Cheshire on Sunday 11th of June 2017 11:24:00 AM

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hi Joanne,

I have only one client , do I need to buy a software to do this? can I not just file these in pdf? sorry, I feel a bit dumb at the moment.

about standards, I have registered with Money Laundering Regulations, is this what you mean?


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hi Joanne,

I have only one client , do I need to buy a software to do this? can I not just file these in pdf? sorry, I feel a bit dumb at the moment.

about standards, I have registered with Money Laundering Regulations, is this what you mean?


thank you


 Hi Tatiana,

no, she means to which financial reporting standard (i.e. FRS102 / FRS105).

You will need to prepare both abreviated and full accounts. Abreviated to file with Companies house, full accounts for HMRC to go along with the CT600s.

For very small and simple clients it is possible to use the clients login details to manually enter to information rather than attaching iXBRL marked up accounts. I've not used that method for a while so it may have changed.

You may find this page useful https://www.gov.uk/company-filing-software

On page two, from the list I use VT Accounts. Costs around £200 per years and comes bundled with a a copy of VT Transaction+ which is excellent bookkeeping software (once you get used to it. Some Sage people have difficulty adjusting to the VT way of thinking).

Take a step back, slow down and ensure that you are completely comfortable with the services that you offer before offering them as being sued by clients can soon wipe out any money that you make... And possibly a lot more than that.

kindest regards,

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Kindest regards,

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Hi again
Standards as in Financial Reporting Standards.

You dont advsie the date of financial year covers, so assuming they are up to date, ie all of the financial year being post 1 January 2016 then you have FRS 102 or 105, rather than FRSSE, to consider. The latter, ie FRS 105,  covers micro entities and the rules are quite different - you just need to be careful using such as they are restrictive in certain scenarios eg revaluing assets, so your client needs to choose carefully!! What standards were covered in earlier periods?

Care re split year ends for your CT return- make sure you have done the CT return before you file the Accounts as this may prompt anything you have forgotten to adjust for. 

You cannot file accounts in pdf format with hmrc. You used to be able to file manually via the post with Co House but Im not even sure if that has now been withdrawn - worth a check, but if you use the software for the one, you might as well use for both.

How were you planning to file the CT return?         Do you use any kind of software within your business for the bookkeeping and if so what? 

Also - just worth a note perhaps, you mentioned in an earlier post that you were considering both AATQB licence and ACCA - you would have to drop what you are doing now to practice under both of these licences.   Is it worth considering getting a Chartered/Tax advisor to finish these?

 

Edited to clarify the point re 'the latter'



-- Edited by Cheshire on Sunday 11th of June 2017 12:54:34 PM

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 Hi Tatiana,

no, she means to which financial reporting standard (i.e. FRS102 / FRS105).

You will need to prepare both abreviated and full accounts. Abreviated to file with Companies house, full accounts for HMRC to go along with the CT600s.

For very small and simple clients it is possible to use the clients login details to manually enter to information rather than attaching iXBRL marked up accounts. I've not used that method for a while so it may have changed.

You may find this page useful https://www.gov.uk/company-filing-software

On page two, from the list I use VT Accounts. Costs around £200 per years and comes bundled with a a copy of VT Transaction+ which is excellent bookkeeping software (once you get used to it. Some Sage people have difficulty adjusting to the VT way of thinking).

Take a step back, slow down and ensure that you are completely comfortable with the services that you offer before offering them as being sued by clients can soon wipe out any money that you make... And possibly a lot more than that.

kindest regards,

Shaun.

 

Kindest regards,

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 hi Shaun

We crossed in the post!

Using the clients login is becoming increasingly difficult, what with the additional verification process you have to do now (HMRC are deliberately trying to prevent such), plus you cannot attach the accounts as you have been able to do in the past.  You effectively end up having to fill in every line of the accounts as you will have done already, although the HMRC screens are a right old mare and I did find a fault in them when I did mine - a fault that, as far as I am aware, has still not been rectified, so you may end up with mis-matching accounts, which contain an error (all around the tax aspect!!!).

 

Oh and another thought (I keep doing that, sorry) - using that method will also mean the HMRC template reports (IN FULL) could end up at Companies House, rather than the abridged version.  Does your client really want that?!!








-- Edited by Cheshire on Sunday 11th of June 2017 12:52:57 PM

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Thank you Shaun for your clear response :). my client is very small and simple, that is why I took him. I would definitely not go with something I am not comfortable with. I also have 2 small kids to take care of, so I decided just to take it slowly until I would be available to extend my practice and invest in softwares, until then I will continue learning from you the experienced ones.

what I have just done was, I logged in , as you said, into company's account and choose the Micro- entity accounts option, and it asked to fill in only the balance sheet, and it is been accepted. as from what I understand, no need for profit and loss account?!


thank you once again.


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what I have just done was, I logged in , as you said, into company's account and choose the Micro- entity accounts option, and it asked to fill in only the balance sheet, and it is been accepted. as from what I understand, no need for profit and loss account?!


thank you once again.


 When you say logged in - do you mean companies house  or HMRC?



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what I have just done was, I logged in , as you said, into company's account and choose the Micro- entity accounts option, and it asked to fill in only the balance sheet, and it is been accepted. as from what I understand, no need for profit and loss account?!


thank you once again.


 When you say logged in - do you mean companies house  or HMRC?


 ???????????



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Tatiana wrote:

Thank you Shaun for your clear response :). my client is very small and simple, that is why I took him. I would definitely not go with something I am not comfortable with. I also have 2 small kids to take care of, so I decided just to take it slowly until I would be available to extend my practice and invest in softwares, until then I will continue learning from you the experienced ones.

what I have just done was, I logged in , as you said, into company's account and choose the Micro- entity accounts option, and it asked to fill in only the balance sheet, and it is been accepted. as from what I understand, no need for profit and loss account?!


thank you once again.


I can see you have now logged off.

 

Your are very welcome to my help too Tatiana.

I wont even go into the rules of the site about professional etiquette amongst others.

Never mind the fact that, once again I asked a couple of questions which have been ignored, despite the fact that the answers to which wouldve helped not only the OP but others on this site.

I only hope that in the few minutes between asking the question about notes to go in the Accounts, Shaun's response (which didnt actually cover the notes) and the OP's filing of said accounts (wherever they were filed) that the OP actually had her clients signature on a set which authorises both the content (including notes) and authorises her to file them under the MOST appropriate standard for the business on an ONGOING basis.

 

Im out!!!!

 



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Well I love you Joanne even if some new posters don't appreciate you.

You should be a Nun the patience that you normally have with new posters.

You know what would relieve the stress of being ignored... Making a large batch of Cakes for John and myself... If you haven't got enough ingredients forget about John. lol.



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Well I love you Joanne even if some new posters don't appreciate you.  Ahhhh Shaun, such a lovely thing to say   heart.gif

You should be a Nun the patience that you normally have with new posters. 

You know what would relieve the stress of being ignored... Making a large batch of Cakes for John and myself... If you haven't got enough ingredients forget about John. lol.


How about an Angry Bird cake?!!   Appropriate yet still tasty.

I will let Mrs Leger have the recipe so she can keep her man happy.

Think I will go and have some Sunday fun! 

 



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... Making a large batch of Cakes for John and myself... If you haven't got enough ingredients forget about John. lol.


 I know I am relatively new but surely I must be due a cake soon!!! (I always say Thank You)



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Oh Doug yes you are a very polite young man! The cakes were originally just for Mr Moderator, but then John muscled in by kidnapping the delivery man. Despite sending cakes by Securicor, he always managed to discover the route and sabotage the plans, it was total carnage I can tell you.

This was just one such incident

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I think I might have to set up my cake making business after all.

 



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Hi Joanne

I think the login was related to Companies House, based on Tatiana's response that she was only asked to fill in the balance sheet.  She still needs to file full accounts with HMRC obviously.  Shaun hinted she could use the client's log in to the Government gateway, but as you pointed out, this is becoming increasingly difficult, plus the fact it's a fairly complicated pdf form that you have to fill in.  I absolutely hated that form.

 

Hi Tatiana

You had two people respond to your question, yet you only acknowledged one of them, not quite the way to win friends.  

You've filed the abbreviated accounts at Companies House by the sounds of it, how do you intend filing the accounts to HMRC?

 

 

 



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Hahahaha Joanne

Your picture didn't have to be that big, I thought I'd missed a chunk out of one of my sentences.

Doug, there's a long history between myself and Shaun, and our attempts to get our hands on Joanne's wares.  Shaun has sabotaged my efforts en route to Cheshire just as many times as I have sabotaged his, so don't start feeling sorry for him.  biggrinbiggrin



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OMG, Joanne, I do apologize , my kids came home from park, and I did not have the chance to see what other replies i had. I will take them one by one and try to respond :). I am really sorry, I did not want to create this , sorry. and I do appreciate all your help, especially considering that is a Sunday!



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 The financial year of the company i have is 1 October 2015 to 30 September 2016. the client is a very small company, and a very simple one. he needs the accounts done only for the tax purposes . previous financial statements have been prepared in accordance with the Financial Reporting Standard for Smaller Entities. It is my only client and it is going to remain the same for a long period, as I would not have necessary time to  carry  a proper work for other clients.  what I have done today was to log into companies house account, and it asked to fill in only a few lines of the balance sheet, nothing else, is it not good?

I do not intend to take other clients, so I do not see it worth investing in a software, that is why I thought it might be other option for me to help my client. Regarding ACCA, this is not going to happen very soon. 

 

I will definitely take into consideration your advice regarding CT return. 

 

please forgive my absence, and can I have your address I can send you cake :)

 



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I'd start with the companies act. FRS 102/105. Decent software and checklist. Don't forget working papers too. That's where I'd be looking. Final accounts for companies are not easy without doing the research. I'm not being funny, but research saves fines and your good reputation.

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Hi Leger,

I am very grateful to everyone who took his/her time and read my question and tried to help , I did not expect this considering it is SUNDAY. this shows how dedicated everyone of you is. 

regarding your question, do I need a software to do CT ? can I not do it without one? 

 

thank you !

 

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 Hi Johnny,

thank you very much for  your advice. 



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Hi Leger,

I am very grateful to everyone who took his/her time and read my question and tried to help , I did not expect this considering it is SUNDAY. this shows how dedicated everyone of you is. 

regarding your question, do I need a software to do CT ? can I not do it without one? 


 Hi Tatiana, please call me John.

We're all happy to help, it's one of the reasons I like this forum.  You have two options.  First is to file using the Government gateway, for which you''ll need your client's log in details.  There will be a very long PDF form to complete, and it automatically computes in the background, so if you get something wrong, it gets stroppy and you have to then figure out where you went wrong.

The 2nd option is to use online software called Taxfiler.  You'll need a trial balance, and you'll also need to be an agent for your client.  (Being an agent allows you to speak to HMRC on your client's behalf as well)  If you go for this option and you need help, there's a few of us who use the software who'll be able to help you if you get stuck.

Now the best bit, you can sign up to taxfiler for one month, which will cost you £12, then cancel your subscription and do the same next year.

Out of interest, how has your clients' tax return been filed in previous years?



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 please forgive my absence, and can I have your address I can send you cake :)

 


 Ha Tatiana, no need as after this afternoon's baking sesh there is more cake in my kitchen than even the boys can manage between them, but I do appreciate the sentiment and your apology.   Thank you.

Sorry I shouldve been a bit more chilled!!



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 Hi Tatiana, please call me John.

We're all happy to help, it's one of the reasons I like this forum.  You have two options.  First is to file using the Government gateway, for which you''ll need your client's log in details.  There will be a very long PDF form to complete, and it automatically computes in the background, so if you get something wrong, it gets stroppy and you have to then figure out where you went wrong.

The 2nd option is to use online software called Taxfiler.  You'll need a trial balance, and you'll also need to be an agent for your client.  (Being an agent allows you to speak to HMRC on your client's behalf as well)  If you go for this option and you need help, there's a few of us who use the software who'll be able to help you if you get stuck.

Now the best bit, you can sign up to taxfiler for one month, which will cost you £12, then cancel your subscription and do the same next year.

Out of interest, how has your clients' tax return been filed in previous years?


Hi John, sorry for the big pic, I didn't have time to start faffing around to make it smaller. Wish I could find the pic you actually posted at the time as that was a good one as I seem to recall the van in a ditch! I've got cakes strewn all over the floor in the picture in my head, but think that's my imagination in overdrive!

Re the Gov gateway option, has the darned thing been fixed now? Good, if so,  as I had a rolling three weeks almost daily conversation with HMRC escalating the query because they had no one who understood a set of accounts so couldn't see why it was producing wrong answers!!

Also re Taxfiler when I signed up it stated if you cancelled it,  then returned within 2years you would be charged a one off fee to re-use it. Have you got away with cancelling and rejoining in less? I did ponder doing so but now would be averse to do it as I would lose my current set up (although obviously all actual submissions are backed up!) 

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thank you John

 

I have thought of these options, the first one, I think , is the most achievable in my situation. I sent, last  week,  the letter to agents department to ask the agent codes and I do not know how long it is going to take to receive them, and I do not want to risk and be late with CT. and also, I have looked at VTfiler and as Joanne said , if I cancel it , I won't be able to enter my agents code again. 

 

the client has moved from the city where he had his previous accountant. it was a chartered accounting firm. 



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thank God you are ok now. I certainly do not want to upset anyone. I am trying to do this around my kids, and it is a bit difficult , but at the same time, my love for accounts doesn t let me to give up. 



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Please don't take this the wrong way.

My response is liberal, inline with BKN.

Pass this task on to someone more experienced.

Please, please do not take this on. You have the passion, but you must start from the bottom.

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Tatiana wrote:

thank you John

 

I have thought of these options, the first one, I think , is the most achievable in my situation. I sent, last  week,  the letter to agents department to ask the agent codes and I do not know how long it is going to take to receive them, and I do not want to risk and be late with CT. and also, I have looked at VTfiler and as Joanne said , if I cancel it , I won't be able to enter my agents code again. 

 

the client has moved from the city where he had his previous accountant. it was a chartered accounting firm. 


 Hi Tatiana

I have assumed (possibly wrongly) that the client has his own log in to file the CT600.  If you're going with the first method that is the only way you can do it that way.  Agents are not allowed to file using the HMRC method, and must use 3rd party software.  My apologies on Taxfiler, I was under the impression you could cancel and renew as and when you needed it.  Using taxfiler is going to cost you £144 for the year, is there enough in your budget to meet that cost?  Alternatively there is Andica, which will allow you to do one CT600 for £48.00

I would echo Johnny's sentiments that if you're not at all sure what you're doing is to pass it on to someone more experienced, but just reading up, you have passed the AAT so all the theory is there, you just need the practical experience. I did my first CT600 in 2013, and it was very much a baptism of fire, and fortunately I managed to get through it successfully.  I switched to taxfiler last year, and find it much easier, as the HMRC CT600 is very clunky.

 

Hi Joanne

I've never cancelled Taxfiler, so don't know the answer to that.  I do 5 or 6 Company returns a year, so for me it's worth paying for Taxfiler.  I've started using it for sole trader returns as well now, although I must admit I prefer doing it via HMRC.  

Now that I'm at work, your picture is a lot smaller, but it's a bigger monitor.  I've attached the pic you were thinking of, (I couldn't find the original thread) I shall expect the cakes in the post this week sometime, seeing as there's enough for everyone. biggrin

 

 



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Now that I'm at work, your picture is a lot smaller

 I shrank it.



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Thank you John,

 

I will definitely take the Andica into consideration. 

 



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I've never cancelled Taxfiler, so don't know the answer to that.  I do 5 or 6 Company returns a year, so for me it's worth paying for Taxfiler.  I've started using it for sole trader returns as well now, although I must admit I prefer doing it via HMRC.  

Now that I'm at work, your picture is a lot smaller, but it's a bigger monitor.  I've attached the pic you were thinking of, (I couldn't find the original thread) I shall expect the cakes in the post this week sometime, seeing as there's enough for everyone. biggrin

 

 


 Yes I think that was the piccie. Lol on the other shrinking one. Sorry Shaun - didnt mean to put you to any extra work!   Cakes are in the post to one and all.......ok the crumbs are....my neighbours and the bloomin window cleaners found out I was baking and there was a rush on them! wink



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 Yes I think that was the piccie. Lol on the other shrinking one. Sorry Shaun - didnt mean to put you to any extra work!   Cakes are in the post to one and all.......ok the crumbs are....my neighbours and the bloomin window cleaners found out I was baking and there was a rush on them! wink


 I have just got my George Formby ukulele out alongside my bucket and sponge to start a new window cleaning business out in the Cheshire area!!!

I will get a cake one day I swear!! 



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Hi John Nice to know someone else knows who George Formby is!!

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 Yes I think that was the piccie. Lol on the other shrinking one. Sorry Shaun - didnt mean to put you to any extra work!   Cakes are in the post to one and all.......ok the crumbs are....my neighbours and the bloomin window cleaners found out I was baking and there was a rush on them! wink


 I have just got my George Formby ukulele out alongside my bucket and sponge to start a new window cleaning business out in the Cheshire area!!!

I will get a cake one day I swear!! 


 Chuckle!!!!!!  biggrinbiggrin  Looks like Im going to have to buy some cake boxes.   You might have to tell my your favourite cakes!!



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Doug, you need to be leaning on the lamp post on the corner of her street, just in case that certain little lady passes by.


 biggrinbiggrin

We are a reet old bunch arent we!  

Personally when I think of lamp posts, as an ex dancer, I think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ



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Ex-dancer!  Is there no end to your talents?



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I would echo Johnny's sentiments that if you're not at all sure what you're doing is to pass it on to someone more experienced, but just reading up, you have passed the AAT so all the theory is there, you just need the practical experience. I did my first CT600 in 2013, and it was very much a baptism of fire, and fortunately I managed to get through it successfully.  I switched to taxfiler last year, and find it much easier, as the HMRC CT600 is very clunky.


 Hi John

When you done your first CT600 did you have anyone to check it or was you confident with everything that you input, just asking as keeping away from LTD at the moment just while I gain more experience but feel it is something I will want to do in the future, but I have never filed a CT600 before

Just wondered how your first time went for you? (CT600)

Cheers



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